We cannot yet measure whether the undoubted commitment of hospital leaders to changing culture, using better indicators, and management systems to improve quality has had an impact on patient experience or safety. It is important to recognise that the cultural problems identified by Francis went far beyond any individual trust, and many interviewees felt that performance management by Monitor, commissioners, and the Trust Development Authority could at times still feel overbearing or apparently inconsistent. Some picked out the heavy emphasis on compliance with the four-hour accident and emergency target as unhelpful, as it was perceived as a process indicator that did not fully capture patient experience and clinical outcomes.